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EOF(Posted 2013) [#1]
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2013/01/18/update-on-windows-8-pricing.aspx

I don't see how MS are going to convince people to'upgrade' at this price. Even the pirates will want compensating.


Dabhand(Posted 2013) [#2]
This is the bit I like:-


If you are building your own PC from scratch, looking to run Windows 8 in a Virtual Machine (VM), or looking to run Windows 8 on a second hard drive partition – you will want to purchase the Windows 8 edition or Windows 8 Pro edition OEM product known as “System Builder”. You can find these products online at local retailers.



Which is, as we all know, a cheaper option... In fact, it's the best option for most of us I reckon...

But really, this is how things work... Whoever owns the system, whatever system it is, generally is more expensive then anyone else... Take, say... Your BT landland, BT own it, you pay line rental to BT, but getting the internet from BT isnt the cheapest option, and in most cases, it's not by miles. It's how a lot of things work, otherwise, there would be equal amount of threads on the internet saying MS are screwing up retailers by under cutting them.


I don't see how MS are going to convince people to'upgrade' at this price



Upgrade is still $40, the full "install from scratch" version is $200, which, I think is reasonable really, if you dont need Windows 8, or unwilling to pay for it, use something else!

Dabz


Dabhand(Posted 2013) [#3]
Double post... sowwy!!! ;)

Dabz

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-=Darkheart=-(Posted 2013) [#4]
They are just trying to push people to buy now personally I am goo g to stay on Windows 7 for as long as possible.


GfK(Posted 2013) [#5]
Windows 7 is the new Windows XP. Most people will stay with it for years yet.


*(Posted 2013) [#6]
I think most will only move to 7 from xp cause software houses are starting to make vista or above games. For me i have a vista ultimate laptop once vista dies i will more thsn likely install linux on it


RifRaf(Posted 2013) [#7]
Windows 7 is the new Windows XP. Most people will stay with it for years yet.


Ha, I still run WinXP.. almost forced to upgrade but not yet.. XP is just soo fast


Captain Wicker (crazy hillbilly)(Posted 2013) [#8]
but Windows 8 Pro is only $69.00 at Walmart!!!!! I got the Media Center pack for *FREE* a while back from Microsoft themselves!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: $69.99

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Dabhand(Posted 2013) [#9]

Windows 8 Pro is only $69.00 at Walmart!!!!!



Is that upgrade or full install capable whatsits features?

Dabz


Captain Wicker (crazy hillbilly)(Posted 2013) [#10]
@Dabz:
it is the upgrade, but you can do a clean install and still activate with a simple regedit. See the post by Cobalt Robot: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-windows_install/windows-8-pro-upgrade-product-key-cant-be-used-to/1726d238-98fb-4634-a468-04645a8ee097?page=2
1. Run the registry editor (regedit)
2. Find the following key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\OOBE
3. Change the value for 'MediaBootInstall' from 1 to 0
4. Open an elevated command prompt (run as admin)
5. Run the following command: slmgr -rearm
6. Reboot




Grisu(Posted 2013) [#11]
Thanks for the link Jim.

The first statement made me laugh: "Windows 8 has a lot to offer including a beautiful new Start screen (...)"

I'll stick with Windows 7 until they come up with something better, perhaps a beautiful new Shutdown screen?


big10p(Posted 2013) [#12]
Windows 7 is the new Windows XP. Most people will stay with it for years yet.
Include me in that that. Sod win8.


xlsior(Posted 2013) [#13]
I found Windows 8 completely and utterly unusable in the out-of-the-box settings...
It absolutely requires Classic Shell (free download) to become usable, after which is is very similar to Windows 7 except with a more bland look & feel thanks to the removal of color shades and transparancy.

FWIW, Newegg is also currently selling the pro upgrade for $69.99:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416562

Regular price is listed as $199 though, so that probably won't last long.


Adam Novagen(Posted 2013) [#14]
I thought that, at this point, we'd all agreed that 9 would be the only worthwhile dot-one of 8 anyway?


GaryV(Posted 2013) [#15]
I thought that, at this point, we'd all agreed that 9 would be the only worthwhile dot-one of 8 anyway?



You may be on your own. Blue which is due later this year will likely fix most issues (real or perceived) with 8.


Winni(Posted 2013) [#16]
Blue which is due later this year will likely fix most issues (real or perceived) with 8.


Starting with "Blue", Microsoft plans to release annual Windows releases - just like Apple now does it with OS X. In other words, Microsoft will move to a subscription-based sales model for Windows.

If you don't want to be a part of that brave new world, Xubuntu is a great alternative...


EOF(Posted 2013) [#17]
> If you don't want to be a part of that brave new world, Xubuntu is a great alternative.

Equally, Linux Mint.

Other than that, for $250 grab a Chrome book. That shows just how overpriced the Win 8 upgrade is.


John G(Posted 2013) [#18]
I suspect one day before the $40 upgrade expires, it will be extended for several months -- due to popular demand.


Adam Novagen(Posted 2013) [#19]
Other than that, for $250 grab a Chrome book. That shows just how overpriced the Win 8 upgrade is.
Yes because a Chromebook can do everything I want to do on a desktop PC. XD

Sarcastic wit aside, as time goes on I can see a potential future where I, like many that have already gone before me, end up using an Ubuntu, Mint or Debian rig for productivity, and just keep a Windows partition for gaming.


Yasha(Posted 2013) [#20]
Xubuntu is a great alternative...


Indeed it is.

Xubuntu fell by the wayside in popularity a while back for not really being the "light" option any more, either compared to regular Ubuntu or newer and lighter alternatives, but I've always felt that it's actually a really pretty environment in its own right and can easily be viewed as an alternative to the "full" environments. I have it for the aesthetic value. It's also more solid and reliable than some of its more flashy competitors.


Captain Wicker (crazy hillbilly)(Posted 2013) [#21]
Linux Mint ROCKS!!!!!
PCLinuxOS is good, too. (KDE edition)

EDIT:
PCLinuxOS Full Monty is the best.
Arch with KDE is great, too, once you get the wifi working. :)

the past two/three years, I have tried just about all of the most popular distros out there. :D

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EOF(Posted 2013) [#22]
The problem for Linux-based O/S's is they just don't get the exposure in retail places like PC world. The PC's are still being populated with Winwoes 8.

Average family does not get to buy a PC without being sledgehammered into using Windows.

The likes of Mint and Ubuntu do deserve more recognition because of how well developed and stable they are.

Still, what is the future for MS? Are people really excited by Windows 8? Perhaps the wheels are slowly falling off ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/01/20/sell-microsoft-now-game-over-ballmer-loses/

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ziggy(Posted 2013) [#23]
I don't think it is that bad http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-8-Boosts-Market-Share-Goes-After-Mac-OS-X-10-8-321573.shtml But it's not as MS expected, so who knows

http://www.windows8core.com/windows-8-market-share-now-at-2-06-with-mac-os-behind-and-windows-7-ahead/

http://www.neowin.net/news/net-applications-windows-8-keeps-gaining-market-share?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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Banshee(Posted 2013) [#24]
I just got the OEM version for my recent system build, which was okayish priced at around £50 or so. A bit pricey for a menu system, but payable for the sake of being legit.

However there was one huge problem.

Even with a hi-res photograph and a serious amount of zoom I still had extreme difficulty reading off the product code from the packaging. Tiny black text from a fuzzy printed on a dark blue banknote-style background is impossible to read, surely there is at least one person who works for Microsoft who isn't stupid and has the presence of character to say "ahem, guys - this is ridiculous".

Pirate don't take 30 minutes to guess their software licence key, why should I have too?


EOF(Posted 2013) [#25]
Oh dear ..



_PJ_(Posted 2013) [#26]
I bought the OEM version, cost me around £120!

Yeah, was too much, but since I needed to clean install so I could dual boot, and I wanted the full feature version, and I need Windows 8 for work, I pretty much had to just do it.

I think it was a lot of money, but then, most people will be taking the £40 upgrade (Or £15 for students!) option and that's probably one of the cheapest OS microsoft have ever done.

I still don't like Windows 8, but I'm getting more and more used to it (I don't particularly enjoy Windows 7 either to be honest) But again, since XP is doomed, it was something of a necessary 'evil'


Wings(Posted 2013) [#27]
Boy you all missed upggrad for 23$ pro version
12$ for pc bougt this summer :)

Perhaps we will go windows 9 comming in november


(tu) ENAY(Posted 2013) [#28]
Still loving XP to be honest.


Oh dear ..



Ah, nostalgic. Reminds me of the time when I told people to upgrade to Windows XP when Vista came out.


Adam Novagen(Posted 2013) [#29]
Still loving XP to be honest.
Same. I like Windows 7, since in my opinion it has no disadvantages as compared to XP, and indeed improves on a few key features, has better stability and some nifty features to boot, but I use WinXP every day on my netbook even now, and there's no doubt in my mind that XP is a perfectly "sufficient" OS.


Why0Why(Posted 2013) [#30]
I understand people not wanting to switch to 8(I think it is perfectly serviceable); however, I don't get people wanting to stick with XP over 7. 7 is better in pretty much every way. I have 8 running on my laptop for dev purposes and to get used to it, but my two primary work machines will probably stay with 7 until the next OS comes out.

MS seems to need an interim OS to get it right(ME, Vista, 8.) I worked on a laptop recently that had Vista and it is such a dog!


xlsior(Posted 2013) [#31]
XP is indeed 'sufficient' now (MS's biggest problem is that their software reached the 'good enough' stage, so they'll have a hard time convincing people to spend money to upgrade -- but XP won't be sufficient for much longer: April 8, 2014 is the official drop-dead end-of-life date for Windows XP: http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?alpha=Windows+XP

At that point, Microsoft will no longer release critical updates for XP... Which means that when the next critical buffer-overflow-that-allows-remote-root is discovered a few weeks later you're completely out of luck, while 'current' versions of windows will receive the patch that fixes it.

It'll just be a matter of time before your then-unpatched XP machine will be a member of a random spammers' private little botnet performing DOS attacks on 3rd party networks.


D4NM4N(Posted 2013) [#32]
I cannot use XP anymore, unless it is in a VM, simply because it does not recognise any of my modern hardware (and i am certainly not arsing about with floppy disks during the install! mainly due to the fact i have not seen or used a floppy disk for a decade! )
Not only that, it is a very vunerable OS, which is going to get even more vunerable as MS bit-by-bit stop supporting it.
Also i have got so used to the modern and convenient features supplied by the other 3 major up-to-date operating systems that for me it feels as clunky and dated as an XP user trying to use Windows 3.

So it is far from "sufficient" for me, it has not been for years :D

I actually find windows 8 quite usable once you get used to it. I do not really like "the wall" either, but i do what i have done since vista (and same on Linuxes and OSX) Which is; press the search short cut key, type a few chars of the app you want and press enter! (& just use alt-tab or "zoom out" to switch between running apps rather than hunting it down on an old fasioned taskbar).


xlsior(Posted 2013) [#33]
I cannot use XP anymore, unless it is in a VM, simply because it does not recognise any of my modern hardware (and i am certainly not arsing about with floppy disks during the install! mainly due to the fact i have not seen or used a floppy disk for a decade! )


If you have an XP disc, you can use it to 'slipstream' additional drivers into the mix and burn an updated installation Cd that does have the hardware drivers you need... (If they exist, of course), without the need for a floppy.


I actually find windows 8 quite usable once you get used to it. I do not really like "the wall" either, but i do what i have done since vista (and same on Linuxes and OSX) Which is; press the search short cut key, type a few chars of the app you want and press enter! (& just use alt-tab or "zoom out" to switch between running apps rather than hunting it down on an old fasioned taskbar).


I just installed Classic Shell (free download), which makes windows 8 launch straight to the desktop with a 'normal' taskbar and start menu.
the metro junk and 'enhanced' search stuff is still available as well, though.

(Although I really don't get how so many people are wowing over the windows 8 search option -- functionally it's the EXACT SAME THING every since Vista introduced it in its start menu 5 years ago, except now windows 8 will hide everything else at the same time. That's not progress, it's a step backwards.)


D4NM4N(Posted 2013) [#34]
If you have an XP disc, you can use it to 'slipstream' additional drivers into the mix and burn an updated installation Cd that does have the hardware drivers you need... (If they exist, of course), without the need for a floppy.
A) yes I know, and b) what is the point? :D

(Although I really don't get how so many people are wowing over the windows 8 search option -- functionally it's the EXACT SAME THING every since Vista introduced it in its start menu 5 years ago, except now windows 8 will hide everything else at the same time. That's not progress, it's a step backwards.)
Damn right its nothing new. Actually it is a feature that has been around since the early 80s, and has been prevailent on linux and unix systems from the start.
XP and previous windows does not have that feature though does it. ;P


xlsior(Posted 2013) [#35]
XP and previous windows does not have that feature though does it. ;P


True, but parading it as a reason why windows 8 is better than windows 7 seems disingenuous.


D4NM4N(Posted 2013) [#36]
Did i? Odd because I never said/did that.
Also Windows 7 and vista have the same feature ! So I doubt I said anywhere it is better or worse than 7.

All I said was i liked windows 8 so far, i did not say -that- was the only reason. However, it is one of the reasons I prefer it over XP, yes.

I did prefer XP over vista over HALF A DECADE ago, as on release Vista was a total pile, but times change and stuff got fixed. (In other words windows 7 came out)
Win 8 is probably the best NT "dot-zero" release so far from MS.


xlsior(Posted 2013) [#37]
Did i? Odd because I never said/did that.


I didn't mean that you said that, I just meant that it seems to be announced as something revolutionary in many of the reviews, while it's completely old hat.


xlsior(Posted 2013) [#38]
also interestingly enough: While the Windows 8 Pro upgrade is indeed $199 now, you can still buy the full non-upgrade OEM version for $135 (32-bit) or $139 (64-bit) (newegg.com)


D4NM4N(Posted 2013) [#39]
oh right, yeah i agree with you there (it is actually something all windows should have had since 95.


JoshK(Posted 2013) [#40]
Damn right its nothing new. Actually it is a feature that has been around since the early 80s, and has been prevailent on linux and unix systems from the start.
XP and previous windows does not have that feature though does it. ;P
XP classic search was the only usable one I've ever seen. It actually let you specify file types, whether to search inside a file, wildcard (*) support, and it didn't rely on indexing that never works.


D4NM4N(Posted 2013) [#41]
That is not actually what i meant, i am talking about 3-4 key program execution AND file search from the same box, negating the need to find & click on icons/menu entries (or a big flashing slab) altogether. :)
Icons are useful sometimes when i am not sure what i want to run, but when I really know and want to run something it is faster to "command" it. ....Or if i know the title of my last document/codeproject and want to continue working on it, I can just type a few letters of the title and press enter (and perhaps the down arrow first) and up it pops .

And indexing means you find it in seconds not 10s of minutes... although i would not reccommend an indexing FS on SSD. (also the wildcards still work on modern windows, you can also specify just files not content)

But yeah I agree, on XP & 2K classic search or using DOS was the only usable option.


xlsior(Posted 2013) [#42]
And indexing means you find it in seconds not 10s of minutes...


Theoretically, yes.

In reality it will either find it in seconds, or not at all.


Wings(Posted 2013) [#43]
Seriusly to all who missed windows 8 campanj for 23$ stay wih xp or windows 7 cause windows 8 is not worth more than 23$


RemiD(Posted 2013) [#44]
To those of you who want to see what "Classic shell" is :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0L4Cte56tc

Great suggestion xlsior, thanks !